The timing of his falling-out with Epstein doesn't match the "he stole my people..." story, either. Maxwell supposedly recruited Virginia Roberts (her maiden name) in or around 2000. Trump was still an intimate enough friend with Epstein in 2003 to write a very suggestive birthday letter for his buddy's bound birthday album, celebrating their mutual "wonderful secret" (ick. gag.).
I think the pronouncement by Epstein that he and Trump fell out over a Palm Beach oceanfront mansion that was up for auction was, in fact, the real reason. Both Trump and Epstein bid on it and somehow, Trump won. Epstein claimed "he stabbed me in the back--he's a crook" rather bitterly....Trump has always had more real feeling and emotion over money than anything else--such a betrayal over real estate is right up Trump's alley.
Yes, but even that might have been a lie. It happened one year before the investigation officially opened. Consider what it would take, in 2004 (the year they supposedly broke up) for Florida to consider opening up an investigation into very rich and powerful, well connected people. Heck, even after they convicted Epstein, the only part of his life that really changed was where he slept at night. Read it in Wikipedea. Quite likely they both knew the legal risk was getting high at the time.
While I totally believe Trump would lie and cheat even his 'best friend' (there is no loyalty, except to himself), I can not really see two seasoned business men letting a business deal really sour their relationship which apparently was satisfying for both of them. Epstein may have been the wronged one and not so forgiving, but in the story I have heard so far, Epstein merely lost an opportunity, and not much else.
Trump lies, ALL the time, and Epstein, a convicted felon himself, must have been an experienced liar as well. So any story from them needs more support than just their words.
That is all very true, and I agree with you that anything that is said by Trump (or Ms. Maxwell, for that matter) needs to have corroborating evidence.
I believe that he's lied so much in his lifetime that he no longer can distinguish fiction from fact. That, and his declining memory probably has him wondering about his own recollection of past events..
I believe you’re correct here … I think he thinks his delusions are real. More, those delusions change daily … and he will believe that new irreality each time.
“He was never a big factor in terms of life.” That ought to be the tag on the diorama illustrating this fat fuck’s predations and perversions in our Smithsonian, in an alternate timeline.
Now is our moment—tomorrow take action against this harmful government. They are:
Covering up a pedophile ring.
Ignoring court orders.
Spreading corruption.
The poor, the needy, and children are being abused—by our government. Healthcare, already a broken system, was canceled for 13 million. Take to the streets!
We must protest outright crooks and the pedophiles. They will start shooting us. Untrained ICE agents will shoot us. Protest until we go down or we oust these tyrants.
I made 54 protest signs to aid protest groups. I will make many more to share. You will see something different in these signs! Help yourself to this second batch, and share them as far as you can.
Stephen as usual you hit the nail on the head- But what you did not say, I am gonna say because I don't have to be as responsible as you do here. I think that Trump KNEW just what what going on with Epstein- he was okay with it- Epstein was his friend and Epstein just happened to like the younger type--_"on the younger side". Gislaine Maxwell must have been using Mar-a-Lago as a source for at least some of the girls they were grooming.. not must have- this is *admitted* by Trump and NOW he is saying it got to a point where he said enough. He KNEW. How much- we can not say (yet) but Trump is not innocent. Complicit? We cannot say.But this shows how AMORAL Trump is. He only says this was wrong now when there is an uproar. Otherwise, it was plain stealing his property- his employees.
This is part of what is "off" about Trump and what makes him dangerous--- not normal mentally and certainly UNFIT to lead this country. More hopefully are noticing. We need a mass movement to keep our country ASAP.
What is "off" about him is certainly that he is "not normal mentally," but also as you point out, he objectifies people, so that his employees become, to him, his "property." And when someone moves against his property, he gets angry.
Because of his equally odd language and usage, which is hard to follow, it has to be parsed out that he will go after those who try to harm, or steal, his "property."
I use "off" to stay away from appearing to diagnose when I am not a professional. But what I have read from them about Trump seems right ( and it is obvious- we don't need a diagnosis): that he is classifiable as having a personality disorder- narcissistic or anti-social personality disorder..Google "Trump's personality disorder" and there are many weighing in on this. He certainly should not be leading this country. Additionally he has this "talent" or ability to sway, to lull, to attract, others to him that he uses ( and they use HIM) and/or abuses. He shows cruelty, transmitting hate, because he does not care about other people's feelings. He is a TERRIBLE person to be leading this country. Yet enough people are following and supporting him for their own needs, or shrugging in their ignorance and uncaring or personal complaints about the country or arguing about relatively unimportant non-existential issues to allow this to continue. Some gradually checking out of what they feel is a hopeless situation. So Trump benefits. We all need to work to get rid of this scourge upon us or else- I can't even think of it... This really is about us.
You are correct. I gave up my license when I retired, but I know what I know. And yes, many clinicians have weighed in on this. The problem with these psychological disorders is that they are immutable. He will never change. Unless and until a majority gets him away from the levers of power, or he dies, things will remain as they are.
What a sordid affair and it speaks volumes of how late imperial America has declined in some of its leadership. I will be happy to see Trump resign, the island bulldozed, and this whole affair in the rearview mirror.
What would be worse than what we already know about Trump. So much of Trump's past sins are already 'baked in' and not going to change public perception (until perhaps they are repackaged into a whole video story). Here are the FACTS as shown clearly on video from his own mouth or from judgements made by unanimous juries or is universally known by every report on the man:
The man sexually assaulted women, one was certified in court, MANY other claims made, including his first wife.
Spoke of getting to grab women by their pussies and getting away with it because he was famous.
Owned an Escort Service = prostitutes = Pimp.
Owned three casinos, because nothing says you are moral more than running Casinos, right?
Owns 14 resorts / golf clubs, where the rich go to play... more than golf.
Trump cheats at golf ALL the time, in every way possible.
By the use of a calendar and Trump's own words, was a close friend for 17 years with a man who was later convicted of Sex Trafficking underage girls for YEARS while they were close friends.
Owned Beauty pageants including international and a teen pageant where he bragged about going 'backstage' while they were still naked, getting dressed.
Speaks of a 16 year old girl working in his spa as his property.
Trump LIES all the time, but often leaks who he really is.
- - - - -
So, what exactly could be worse? So much worse that Trump is stumbling over himself trying to cover it up? His cover-up / Obstruction of Investigation was less clumsy or frantic in the Russian Investigation (as well recorded in the Mueller Report).
Perhaps he was actually part of the business, not merely a customer? He certainly had the resources to act as a 'front' for a sex trafficking business, both in recruitment and distribution.
He certainly has the moral character suitable for such an enterprise. We know he would have no compunctions over 'cooking the books' as he is a convicted felon for such activity and his company and himself in regards to his company have been found guilty of lying all over the accounting books. We know he has run illegal business before, with the Trump University scam.
People avoid looking at the entire picture of Trump, and his fans will need to be hit in the face with hard proof, but if that proof came out, perhaps there would be finally a revulsion in his base realizing that if they protect and support him, that makes them complicit in pedophilia sex trafficking, and that may be an identity they cannot accept.
Perhaps he was actually part of the business, not merely a customer? He certainly had the resources to act as a 'front' for a sex trafficking business, both in recruitment and distribution.
He certainly has the moral character suitable for such an enterprise. We know he would have no compunctions over 'cooking the books' as he is a convicted felon for such activity and his company and himself in regards to his company have been found guilty of lying all over the accounting books. We know he has run illegal business before, with the Trump University scam.
People avoid looking at the entire picture of Trump, and his fans will need to be hit in the face with hard proof, but if that proof came out, perhaps there would be finally a revulsion in his base realizing that if they protect and support him, that makes them complicit in pedophilia sex trafficking, and that may be an identity they cannot accept.
The timing of his falling-out with Epstein doesn't match the "he stole my people..." story, either. Maxwell supposedly recruited Virginia Roberts (her maiden name) in or around 2000. Trump was still an intimate enough friend with Epstein in 2003 to write a very suggestive birthday letter for his buddy's bound birthday album, celebrating their mutual "wonderful secret" (ick. gag.).
I think the pronouncement by Epstein that he and Trump fell out over a Palm Beach oceanfront mansion that was up for auction was, in fact, the real reason. Both Trump and Epstein bid on it and somehow, Trump won. Epstein claimed "he stabbed me in the back--he's a crook" rather bitterly....Trump has always had more real feeling and emotion over money than anything else--such a betrayal over real estate is right up Trump's alley.
Yes, but even that might have been a lie. It happened one year before the investigation officially opened. Consider what it would take, in 2004 (the year they supposedly broke up) for Florida to consider opening up an investigation into very rich and powerful, well connected people. Heck, even after they convicted Epstein, the only part of his life that really changed was where he slept at night. Read it in Wikipedea. Quite likely they both knew the legal risk was getting high at the time.
While I totally believe Trump would lie and cheat even his 'best friend' (there is no loyalty, except to himself), I can not really see two seasoned business men letting a business deal really sour their relationship which apparently was satisfying for both of them. Epstein may have been the wronged one and not so forgiving, but in the story I have heard so far, Epstein merely lost an opportunity, and not much else.
Trump lies, ALL the time, and Epstein, a convicted felon himself, must have been an experienced liar as well. So any story from them needs more support than just their words.
That is all very true, and I agree with you that anything that is said by Trump (or Ms. Maxwell, for that matter) needs to have corroborating evidence.
As always, it’s not the crime - which is unforgivable - but the coverup.
Exactly right David. That's how the big criminals are usually brought to justice.
And why the f**k were underage girls ‘working’ at this losers ‘spa’ at Mar—a-Lago to begin with? Let’s go media- ask the tough questions!
Given that comment in Scotland, one has to wonder whether Trump is truly delusional — does he really believe the tripe he’s trying to sell?
I believe that he's lied so much in his lifetime that he no longer can distinguish fiction from fact. That, and his declining memory probably has him wondering about his own recollection of past events..
I believe you’re correct here … I think he thinks his delusions are real. More, those delusions change daily … and he will believe that new irreality each time.
If he weren't such a sociopathic monster, one could almost pity him.
I cannot. Honesty, civility, sexual depravity — he has brought America to his subterranean level.
I note that Trump's weaponization of the DoJ was specifically authorized by John Roberts and the Fash Five in Trump v. US.
This is one key factor in the conversion of the US into a mafia state.
“He was never a big factor in terms of life.” That ought to be the tag on the diorama illustrating this fat fuck’s predations and perversions in our Smithsonian, in an alternate timeline.
Feeling alliterative:
President Pedo Pal, Procuress Pardoner
Now is our moment—tomorrow take action against this harmful government. They are:
Covering up a pedophile ring.
Ignoring court orders.
Spreading corruption.
The poor, the needy, and children are being abused—by our government. Healthcare, already a broken system, was canceled for 13 million. Take to the streets!
We must protest outright crooks and the pedophiles. They will start shooting us. Untrained ICE agents will shoot us. Protest until we go down or we oust these tyrants.
I made 54 protest signs to aid protest groups. I will make many more to share. You will see something different in these signs! Help yourself to this second batch, and share them as far as you can.
https://hotbuttons.substack.com/p/more-free-protest-signs?r=3m1bs
Stephen as usual you hit the nail on the head- But what you did not say, I am gonna say because I don't have to be as responsible as you do here. I think that Trump KNEW just what what going on with Epstein- he was okay with it- Epstein was his friend and Epstein just happened to like the younger type--_"on the younger side". Gislaine Maxwell must have been using Mar-a-Lago as a source for at least some of the girls they were grooming.. not must have- this is *admitted* by Trump and NOW he is saying it got to a point where he said enough. He KNEW. How much- we can not say (yet) but Trump is not innocent. Complicit? We cannot say.But this shows how AMORAL Trump is. He only says this was wrong now when there is an uproar. Otherwise, it was plain stealing his property- his employees.
This is part of what is "off" about Trump and what makes him dangerous--- not normal mentally and certainly UNFIT to lead this country. More hopefully are noticing. We need a mass movement to keep our country ASAP.
What is "off" about him is certainly that he is "not normal mentally," but also as you point out, he objectifies people, so that his employees become, to him, his "property." And when someone moves against his property, he gets angry.
Because of his equally odd language and usage, which is hard to follow, it has to be parsed out that he will go after those who try to harm, or steal, his "property."
I use "off" to stay away from appearing to diagnose when I am not a professional. But what I have read from them about Trump seems right ( and it is obvious- we don't need a diagnosis): that he is classifiable as having a personality disorder- narcissistic or anti-social personality disorder..Google "Trump's personality disorder" and there are many weighing in on this. He certainly should not be leading this country. Additionally he has this "talent" or ability to sway, to lull, to attract, others to him that he uses ( and they use HIM) and/or abuses. He shows cruelty, transmitting hate, because he does not care about other people's feelings. He is a TERRIBLE person to be leading this country. Yet enough people are following and supporting him for their own needs, or shrugging in their ignorance and uncaring or personal complaints about the country or arguing about relatively unimportant non-existential issues to allow this to continue. Some gradually checking out of what they feel is a hopeless situation. So Trump benefits. We all need to work to get rid of this scourge upon us or else- I can't even think of it... This really is about us.
Brilliantly said.
You are correct. I gave up my license when I retired, but I know what I know. And yes, many clinicians have weighed in on this. The problem with these psychological disorders is that they are immutable. He will never change. Unless and until a majority gets him away from the levers of power, or he dies, things will remain as they are.
What a sordid affair and it speaks volumes of how late imperial America has declined in some of its leadership. I will be happy to see Trump resign, the island bulldozed, and this whole affair in the rearview mirror.
What would be worse than what we already know about Trump. So much of Trump's past sins are already 'baked in' and not going to change public perception (until perhaps they are repackaged into a whole video story). Here are the FACTS as shown clearly on video from his own mouth or from judgements made by unanimous juries or is universally known by every report on the man:
The man sexually assaulted women, one was certified in court, MANY other claims made, including his first wife.
Spoke of getting to grab women by their pussies and getting away with it because he was famous.
Owned an Escort Service = prostitutes = Pimp.
Owned three casinos, because nothing says you are moral more than running Casinos, right?
Owns 14 resorts / golf clubs, where the rich go to play... more than golf.
Trump cheats at golf ALL the time, in every way possible.
By the use of a calendar and Trump's own words, was a close friend for 17 years with a man who was later convicted of Sex Trafficking underage girls for YEARS while they were close friends.
Owned Beauty pageants including international and a teen pageant where he bragged about going 'backstage' while they were still naked, getting dressed.
Speaks of a 16 year old girl working in his spa as his property.
Trump LIES all the time, but often leaks who he really is.
- - - - -
So, what exactly could be worse? So much worse that Trump is stumbling over himself trying to cover it up? His cover-up / Obstruction of Investigation was less clumsy or frantic in the Russian Investigation (as well recorded in the Mueller Report).
Perhaps he was actually part of the business, not merely a customer? He certainly had the resources to act as a 'front' for a sex trafficking business, both in recruitment and distribution.
He certainly has the moral character suitable for such an enterprise. We know he would have no compunctions over 'cooking the books' as he is a convicted felon for such activity and his company and himself in regards to his company have been found guilty of lying all over the accounting books. We know he has run illegal business before, with the Trump University scam.
People avoid looking at the entire picture of Trump, and his fans will need to be hit in the face with hard proof, but if that proof came out, perhaps there would be finally a revulsion in his base realizing that if they protect and support him, that makes them complicit in pedophilia sex trafficking, and that may be an identity they cannot accept.
Perhaps he was actually part of the business, not merely a customer? He certainly had the resources to act as a 'front' for a sex trafficking business, both in recruitment and distribution.
He certainly has the moral character suitable for such an enterprise. We know he would have no compunctions over 'cooking the books' as he is a convicted felon for such activity and his company and himself in regards to his company have been found guilty of lying all over the accounting books. We know he has run illegal business before, with the Trump University scam.
People avoid looking at the entire picture of Trump, and his fans will need to be hit in the face with hard proof, but if that proof came out, perhaps there would be finally a revulsion in his base realizing that if they protect and support him, that makes them complicit in pedophilia sex trafficking, and that may be an identity they cannot accept.