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Lucius's avatar

I live in MN. It's bad here. Local Republicans have been on cloud nine since walz stepped out of the race, and I've heard several people making ICE jokes showing up to Mexican and giggling like fucking toddlers. One person I know is fantasizing about walz getting charged for the daycare fraud bullshit and "all the fake pandemic shit" and I'm sure the only reason I haven't heard more guffawing about the "domestic terrorist" getting shot is because the local Nazis are all still deep in post-nut fugue.

I'm really hoping Moriarty can pull it off. Even if the fucker ends up getting off without so much as a slap on the wrist, sometimes symbolic action is necessary. And God fucking damn is it necessary for us to have a local story of resistance.

Especially since Democratic leadership in DC is such a fucking joke. Hell, I'm half expecting Schumer to proudly unveil his newest Strongly Worded Letter™️ later today.

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Suzanne's avatar

Well said. Our thoughts, especially those of us with a Democrat governor in a very red county (our Indivisible just got evicted from its meeting space), are with you in this struggle. Ignore them if you can. You can’t talk to them in a meaningful way now anyway. We can hold out hope for the future. (I am hoping for state charges.)

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Deborah solleveld's avatar

The fbi just kicked local authorities out of the investigation and won’t let them have evidence. Witnesses I hope you have copies of your videos.

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Lucius's avatar

Not unexpected.😣

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Deborah solleveld's avatar

So sorry you are dealing with this. I’m in California, waiting for his attack to return.

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Suzanne's avatar

I’m in NC. We understand, too.

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Hannah's avatar

Thank you for explaining this so clearly.

These ICE fascists must be stopped. It may not be this time, but hopefully an attempt will be made.

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Mark In Colorado's avatar

Maybe it’s time to refer to ICE as the Gestapo (Geheime Staatspolizei).

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Leu2500's avatar

Hard doesn’t mean you don’t try.

& ICE refusing to let a doctor treat Good & delaying the ambulance, to me, opens them - not just the shooter - to charges. Especially once autopsy results are available.

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Ronni's avatar

I've watched the videos that have been posted online, and the one thing that has me shaking my head is the spin DHS and Trump have put on this incident. Trump says the shooter was "hospitalized", yet the shooter is shown walking down the street and getting into a car and driving away from the scene. What video did Trump watch? Also, maybe I watch too many crime dramas on TV, but isn't it normal procedure after an "officer shooting", that they are required to relinquish their gun? This officer(according to videos) simply re-holstered it, and then walked away.

Kristi Noem said that this whole incident started when ICE was trying to remove one of their cars that was stuck in the snow. Well, where is the video of that? From the videos, the streets looked passable. Exactly, where was the "stuck" vehicle.

The spin the administration is giving this incident is reprehensible. A woman died because an ICE agent got trigger happy and overstepped his bounds. Yet he was able to walk away and drive off with no questions asked by his fellow "officers".

Just like the incident in Venezuela, Trump's administration's policy seems to be "Shoot first. We'll figure out how to spin it later."

RIP Renee Good.

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John R.'s avatar

Excellent, clear (if infuriating) analysis and explanation. Can you also help us understand the prospect of prosecuting the ICE officer under civil, as opposed to criminal, law? For example, could there be a “wrongful death” civil case? I’m not a lawyer, obviously! Really appreciate your work.

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James Towner's avatar

There must absolutely be an attempt to prosecute this murderer. The videos are too damning. Of course so were the Jan 6 videos. Trump rule, don’t believe your eyes, they are lying.

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Anita Rosen's avatar

This was such a great article. Thank you for explaining things so clearly. A sliver of hope that justice can be served is better than none at all.

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Lisa Nystrom's avatar

Thank you for the laying it all out. Public Notice is the best at cutting through the bs. Releasing the Epstein files in their entirety would start the ball of accountability rolling for this whackadoodle administration.

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Lucius's avatar

I really wish I could believe that, but at this point I wouldn't be surprised if the full, unredacted files being released didn't do a thing.

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Lisa Nystrom's avatar

I can’t go there. That’s total depravity. 😞

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Johan's avatar

The authoritarian executive branch created a Stasi to unleash on its own citizens. The NSS authorizes “maximum lethality” and extrajudicial operations externally.

ICE killings prove those methods don’t stay foreign. Authoritarianism doesn’t recognize borders, the playbook scales from Caracas to American streets. How quaint.

Exactly as I’ve written about.

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Michael Wild's avatar

Let's be very generous and say that in a high-adrenalin situation the ICE officer in good faith thought he or his collegues were at risk of being very seriously injured or killed when this is clearly not the case. Surely we are still dealing with a totally unnecessary death caused by an unprofessional officer(s?) who shouldn't be on the beat? Furthermore a decent administation and a professionally run organization would express great regret at the death and order an immediate review with a view to taking steps from such a mistake from happening again.

But oh boy is that not the case here. There's every chance the unprofessional goon will become a hero. I can think of quite a few needless killers in the last few years that American conservatives have made heroes of.

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paradoxlogic's avatar

ABSOLUTELY! He MUST be arrested, indicted, charged, sentenced, and jailed. The minimum of justice demands that. The despicable spinning of the firing in self defense bullshit is completely predictable as they try to make untrained thugs look like professional law enforcement. Gimme a f’ing break!

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Jack Jordan's avatar

When we consider the purported immunity of our public servants and the greater significance of the Supremacy Clause of our Constitution, it's crucial to keep in mind the sovereignty of the people. That was addressed in considerable detail in 1999 in Alden v. Maine in both the majority and the dissenting opinions.

Highly relevant here, the Alden dissenters also emphasized a crucial aspect of the sovereignty of the people and the Supremacy Clause of our Constitution that governs when our purported public servants violate our Constitution. When any “action” of any public servant “is unconstitutional,” it “is not the word or deed of the” sovereign people. It “is the mere wrong and trespass of those individual persons who falsely speak and act in [their] name.” They were quoting SCOTUS precedent in Poindexter v. Greenhow (1885).

Alexander Hamilton emphasized something similar in The Federalist No. 83: “Wilful abuses of a public authority, to the oppression of” the people “are offenses against the government” (not actions of the government) “for which the persons who commit them may be indicted and punished” (criminally) “according to the circumstances of the case.”

In Poindexter, SCOTUS was even more emphatic:

“The government is an agent [of the sovereign people], and, within the sphere of the agency, a perfect representative; but outside of that, it is a lawless usurpation. . . . [T]he maxim, that the king can do no wrong, has no place in our system of government. . . . That which, therefore, is unlawful because made so by the supreme law, the Constitution of the United States, is not the word or deed of the [the sovereign people], but is the mere wrong and trespass of those individual persons who falsely speak and act in [their] name. It was upon the ground of this important distinction that” SCOTUS already had decided very important cases.

“This distinction is essential to the idea of constitutional government. To deny it or blot it out obliterates the line of demarcation that separates constitutional government from absolutism, free self-government based on the sovereignty of the people from that despotism, whether of the one or the many, which enables the agent of the State to declare and decree that he is the State; to say [as the French king famously did] ‘L’Etat c’est moi.’ ”

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Barbara Baldwin's avatar

Blathering is all that Noem, or any of Trump’s minions, can do. Surely they all realize it by now. They are clearly in on the grift and have no conscience, just like Trump himself. Lemmings. 🙄

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Douglas Gilligan's avatar

Making the effort to prosecute would be a vehicle for forcing the government to clarify their legal justifications for ICE, their 'mission' and it's parameters. The training they give their 'agents'.

It would also put forward the actual facts of the case, as opposed to the federal lies.

Sure, this sort of case is extremely rare, but we are living in times which we have never had before, at least not since we learned that law enforcement includes following the laws and abiding by the rules of conduct, to respect the rights of the people (not just citizens).

To not make the effort would be a crime, even if victory was not 100% assured in advance. In other words, sometimes you have to try even if you know it is a long shot, will take a LOT of work and be an uphill slog. You KNOW that if this goes without challenge, if there are no charges made, it will be seen as a green light by ICE to start shooting first, saving the effort of arresting and transporting... the immigrants.

I am careful to say immigrants, because ICE seems to focus on ALL immigrants (of the hispanic persuasion) whether they are legal or not, and does not even care if they are citizens, or second generation...

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Susan McDonald's avatar

Thank you for this. I’ve been thinking it is not that different from the Derek Chauvin case, although that’s probably a very simplistic analysis.

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