I don't know about everyone else, but I wasn't born yesterday. Replacing the vile Greg (Heil Hitler) Bovino with the equally vile Tom (Cava Bag) Homan to head up the 3,000 ICE/CPB agents who are terrorizing and murdering the brave, patriotic people of MSP would be laughable if it weren't so dangerously ludicrous. If you replace one monster for another, you still have a monster PLUS the same marauding goons who murdered Renee Good and Alex Pretti are still on the prowl.
The reaction of the Department of Injustice and the Federal Bureau of Injustice to these atrocities should surprise no one. Not long after the hearts of these martyrs stopped beating, the same old "blame the victims" narrative emerged. We cannot trust the officials of these agencies to investigate these crimes with any level of credibility because if their mouths are moving, they are lying (I'm looking at you Noem, Bondi, Patel etal).
At least in the case of the murder of Ms. Good, we know who her killer is. Since the killers of Mr. Pretti were whisked away like bank robbers fleeing the scene of the crime, holding those accountable who pummeled his lifeless body with bullets could be a long, difficult process. However, if this country still has a scintilla of justice and decency, those jackals will some day be arrested and put on trial for their actions. That day cannot come soon enough.
It's also possible, at least theoretically, that someone who does know will develop a conscience. Even though that would mean they might have to fear for their lives.
This may not resonate with most of our secular nation, but the regime’s determination to protect the murderers in Minnesota will ensure that Alex Pretti is regarded as a martyr. Martyrs sustain a cause.
I do not remember their names but remember that day like it was yesterday. The mood of the nation was one of shock and revulsion, much like we have seen with the events in Minnesota. Not remembering their names does not mean it wasn’t a watershed moment in American history that I still carry with me.
Maybe Alex Pretti and Renee Good’s names will be forgotten but I doubt anyone living in the US today will forget what happened.
Oh, read some history, please. The Kent state killings were a significant factor in moving opposition to the Viet Nam war beyond the college campuses and out into the mainstream. The reason anyone even knows of the significance of “Kent State” is because it was significant.
the reference to Kent state was useful to you for some reason, despite it being over a half-century ago. That’s not short-lived.
But it does appear that you don’t know about the effect of that event.
Via social media today, the whole world knows how Alex Pretti died and he was killed while supporting his neighbors and, specifically, one woman being brutalized by federal agents. That’s the kind of story that stands across time.
You have a legit point about America’s amnesia. It is our most consistent trait, along with missing the point. Can we sustain this until 11/3/26? I think (hope) so.
Thank you for presenting all of the information available- we certainly can not count on the administration to truthfully report on either of the recent murders by ICE/BPA.
There exists a great deal of very damning evidence on multiple angles of independent recordings. I feel like 12 sane, unprejudiced jurors could come to a reasonable conclusion based on them.
Just based on the NYT frame by frame and accompanied by the actual video evidence, I suspect any grand jury would recommend multiple charges against at least two agents.
“The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.”
I "don't like" that Jonathan Ross was allowed to carry a gun, and carry a gun in the service of the ICE Barbarians. He had suffered a traumatic injury and was obviously suffering from PTSD, a condition that adds to unresolved fear and willingness to inflict harm on "anyone" as revenge. This tragic event is a textbook example.
The founders wrote "states' rights" into the Constitution in large part to appease the slave states. Killing an enslaved person was not a crime so it didn't have to be covered up -- unless, of course, one killed an enslaved person belonging to someone else. In that case, IIRC, restitution was often expected.
I think it’s much more important to use the framework of our laws to promote peace and Equal Justice for all moving forward than to stay stuck in whatever destructive mistakes faulty individuals may have made. We can’t change history. We can learn from our history to create a better future. Despite their biases, the framework could be solid and used to build something better. I’ve never been one to throw the baby out with the dirty bathwater
But your "dirty bathwater" is U.S. history. It's not going away. It's the history we need to keep learning from. An estimated one-third of the U.S. population object to the advances made by people of color from the 1960s onward. Corporate power and the very wealthy (who have the money but not the votes) have been using them to dominate the U.S. government at least since Reagan. Luckily their tools -- Trump, his minions, and the wreck of the once-grand Republican Party -- are as inept as they are.
Agreed. We LEARN from our history how to become better at what’s best in us. “We” (humanity) need not clutch our past to our chest, encumbering our mobility to move past it. Our collective trauma must be spoken of and fully processed but to bring our past struggles with outlawing slavery up as a reason for a state to not stop a violent murdering authoritarian federal government from murdering us by using our Constitutionally mandated states rights is insanity.
A certain type of justice will be served. Could be extralegal. Could be slow. Could be incorrect for some. If the triggerman remains in Minnesota, he should be careful what he eats, where he walks, where he uses a restroom.
You can’t believe anything out of this White House or any of the departments. They will do anything to keep power and their cushy jobs. Trump made $1.5 billion on the sky selling his phony crypto and he wants to keep the grift going. He’s a bona fide jackass, a liar, and a psychopath. ICE is his Gestapo. Abolish ICE now!!!
In this situation, the federal government has no plausible claim to superiority or priority over state authorities. As Article VI makes clear, state authorities are as bound to support our Constitution as federal authorities: "all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of [all] States" are equally "bound" to "support [our] Constitution."
Moreover, this is the precise kind of situation for which federalism was included in our Constitution. In Federalist No. 46, Madison addressed issues that are relevant here and relevant more generally to the Second Amendment. Madison clarified that one of the most important reasons for the Second Amendment was precisely to support federalism when state authorities opposed federal tyrants or oppressors.
Madison viewed the individual right to keep and bear arms as a sort of sword of Damocles dangling over the head of federal officials. He saw the individual right to keep and bear arms as essential to the moral courage and efficacy of our public servants in state governments in helping secure our rights against federal officials.
Madison emphasized that the standing army envisioned in 1788-1789 was "an army of [no] more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men" who could be opposed by "militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands."
From Federalist 46:
Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. . . . Either the mode in which the federal government is to be constructed will render it sufficiently dependent on the people, or it will not. On the first supposition, it will be restrained by that dependence from forming schemes obnoxious to their constituents. On the other supposition, it will not possess the confidence of the people, and its schemes of usurpation will be easily defeated by the State governments, who will be supported by the people.
I don't know about everyone else, but I wasn't born yesterday. Replacing the vile Greg (Heil Hitler) Bovino with the equally vile Tom (Cava Bag) Homan to head up the 3,000 ICE/CPB agents who are terrorizing and murdering the brave, patriotic people of MSP would be laughable if it weren't so dangerously ludicrous. If you replace one monster for another, you still have a monster PLUS the same marauding goons who murdered Renee Good and Alex Pretti are still on the prowl.
The reaction of the Department of Injustice and the Federal Bureau of Injustice to these atrocities should surprise no one. Not long after the hearts of these martyrs stopped beating, the same old "blame the victims" narrative emerged. We cannot trust the officials of these agencies to investigate these crimes with any level of credibility because if their mouths are moving, they are lying (I'm looking at you Noem, Bondi, Patel etal).
At least in the case of the murder of Ms. Good, we know who her killer is. Since the killers of Mr. Pretti were whisked away like bank robbers fleeing the scene of the crime, holding those accountable who pummeled his lifeless body with bullets could be a long, difficult process. However, if this country still has a scintilla of justice and decency, those jackals will some day be arrested and put on trial for their actions. That day cannot come soon enough.
internet sleuths.
It's also possible, at least theoretically, that someone who does know will develop a conscience. Even though that would mean they might have to fear for their lives.
We can only hope.
When the criminal runs the investigation it is obvious what the result will be. Complete BS.
This may not resonate with most of our secular nation, but the regime’s determination to protect the murderers in Minnesota will ensure that Alex Pretti is regarded as a martyr. Martyrs sustain a cause.
Really? What are the names of the four students killed at Kent State?
I do not remember their names but remember that day like it was yesterday. The mood of the nation was one of shock and revulsion, much like we have seen with the events in Minnesota. Not remembering their names does not mean it wasn’t a watershed moment in American history that I still carry with me.
Maybe Alex Pretti and Renee Good’s names will be forgotten but I doubt anyone living in the US today will forget what happened.
Agreed. My point - poorly made - was that modern martyrs are ephemeral at best … but the act(s) of repression will indeed be remembered.
As for Kent State—they were my contemporaries. I was a sophomore in college in 1970, an active protester then; I was deeply affected.
Oh, read some history, please. The Kent state killings were a significant factor in moving opposition to the Viet Nam war beyond the college campuses and out into the mainstream. The reason anyone even knows of the significance of “Kent State” is because it was significant.
And the reason people know history is significant is because it’s significant?
You brought up Kent State. Why did you mention Kent State?
To
Illustrate, perhaps poorly, that this martyrdom is likely temporary because of America’s short attention span.
the reference to Kent state was useful to you for some reason, despite it being over a half-century ago. That’s not short-lived.
But it does appear that you don’t know about the effect of that event.
Via social media today, the whole world knows how Alex Pretti died and he was killed while supporting his neighbors and, specifically, one woman being brutalized by federal agents. That’s the kind of story that stands across time.
You have a legit point about America’s amnesia. It is our most consistent trait, along with missing the point. Can we sustain this until 11/3/26? I think (hope) so.
Where is - and what’s on - Pretti’s phone??????
Thank you for presenting all of the information available- we certainly can not count on the administration to truthfully report on either of the recent murders by ICE/BPA.
There exists a great deal of very damning evidence on multiple angles of independent recordings. I feel like 12 sane, unprejudiced jurors could come to a reasonable conclusion based on them.
Just based on the NYT frame by frame and accompanied by the actual video evidence, I suspect any grand jury would recommend multiple charges against at least two agents.
Nuremberg Principle IV:
“The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him.”
I "don't like" that Jonathan Ross was allowed to carry a gun, and carry a gun in the service of the ICE Barbarians. He had suffered a traumatic injury and was obviously suffering from PTSD, a condition that adds to unresolved fear and willingness to inflict harm on "anyone" as revenge. This tragic event is a textbook example.
Certainly covering up an execution is a crime??? Isn’t this exactly why our founders wrote states rights into our Constitution???
The founders wrote "states' rights" into the Constitution in large part to appease the slave states. Killing an enslaved person was not a crime so it didn't have to be covered up -- unless, of course, one killed an enslaved person belonging to someone else. In that case, IIRC, restitution was often expected.
I think it’s much more important to use the framework of our laws to promote peace and Equal Justice for all moving forward than to stay stuck in whatever destructive mistakes faulty individuals may have made. We can’t change history. We can learn from our history to create a better future. Despite their biases, the framework could be solid and used to build something better. I’ve never been one to throw the baby out with the dirty bathwater
But your "dirty bathwater" is U.S. history. It's not going away. It's the history we need to keep learning from. An estimated one-third of the U.S. population object to the advances made by people of color from the 1960s onward. Corporate power and the very wealthy (who have the money but not the votes) have been using them to dominate the U.S. government at least since Reagan. Luckily their tools -- Trump, his minions, and the wreck of the once-grand Republican Party -- are as inept as they are.
P.S. I'm curious: who is your "we"?
Agreed. We LEARN from our history how to become better at what’s best in us. “We” (humanity) need not clutch our past to our chest, encumbering our mobility to move past it. Our collective trauma must be spoken of and fully processed but to bring our past struggles with outlawing slavery up as a reason for a state to not stop a violent murdering authoritarian federal government from murdering us by using our Constitutionally mandated states rights is insanity.
Well-reasoned and logical conclusions. It is hard not to lose one's soul at this time [ for those who have one.]
A certain type of justice will be served. Could be extralegal. Could be slow. Could be incorrect for some. If the triggerman remains in Minnesota, he should be careful what he eats, where he walks, where he uses a restroom.
I'd still be worried if I was (one of) the killer(s) when there's a change of government. The video evidence does not look good for them at all.
You can’t believe anything out of this White House or any of the departments. They will do anything to keep power and their cushy jobs. Trump made $1.5 billion on the sky selling his phony crypto and he wants to keep the grift going. He’s a bona fide jackass, a liar, and a psychopath. ICE is his Gestapo. Abolish ICE now!!!
In this situation, the federal government has no plausible claim to superiority or priority over state authorities. As Article VI makes clear, state authorities are as bound to support our Constitution as federal authorities: "all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of [all] States" are equally "bound" to "support [our] Constitution."
Moreover, this is the precise kind of situation for which federalism was included in our Constitution. In Federalist No. 46, Madison addressed issues that are relevant here and relevant more generally to the Second Amendment. Madison clarified that one of the most important reasons for the Second Amendment was precisely to support federalism when state authorities opposed federal tyrants or oppressors.
Madison viewed the individual right to keep and bear arms as a sort of sword of Damocles dangling over the head of federal officials. He saw the individual right to keep and bear arms as essential to the moral courage and efficacy of our public servants in state governments in helping secure our rights against federal officials.
Madison emphasized that the standing army envisioned in 1788-1789 was "an army of [no] more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men" who could be opposed by "militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands."
From Federalist 46:
Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. . . . Either the mode in which the federal government is to be constructed will render it sufficiently dependent on the people, or it will not. On the first supposition, it will be restrained by that dependence from forming schemes obnoxious to their constituents. On the other supposition, it will not possess the confidence of the people, and its schemes of usurpation will be easily defeated by the State governments, who will be supported by the people.
Send in Homan, cut a check, Big Boyz absolved.