Bill Kristol saying “Abolish ICE” is the tell. When the architect of the Iraq War thinks your paramilitary force has gone too far, you’ve built something worse than law enforcement…you’ve built a goon squad.
Argentina didn’t reform the ESMA detention center. They closed it and turned it into a museum. Because you don’t reform death squads, you dismantle them.
“Reform and retrain” assumes institutions willing to enforce constraints. Minneapolis proved otherwise. Body cams filmed everything. Regime still lied, defended the killers, blamed the victims. Training doesn’t fix that. Accountability does.
100% agree. Massive amounts of taxpayer $$ financing daily brutality, not related to law enforcement. This is political repression. Waiting for mid-term elections? What mid-term elections-?? See Fulton County, GA.
I believe in defunding the entire department also removing administrative leaders. Never since the start of ICE have we had rogue people running around the country out of control.
Why can all these criminals ( which I believe many are) run this country because of a few crack pots say it’s ok to harass! Defund and start over with well trained people. Many in this group presently are not law enforcement.
Much as I’d like to see ICE in its present form destroyed, fighting about slogans over reform vs abolition seems a waste of time. These are questions for a new government and we’re stuck with the present one at the moment. There’s no way bar a violent revolution that ICE is going to be dis-established in this term of government.
Fights amongst those who agree that ICE at present is unacceptable are a waste of time and a benefit for the Republicans. Anger directed at ICE opponents who don’t think shouting “defund ICE” is a good idea are far better directed at the government – especially Trump – who set this monster up and turned it loose. If the left can make enough of this stink to attach to the Republicans they might lose the Senate as well as the House and that would be a significant achievement. Fighting over whether ICE should be reformed or disbanded some years hence is a distraction from this task
Recently iCE knocked a man to the ground then sprayed a yellow chemical directly into his open mouth and eyes causing agonizing, sustained pain. This horrific act of torture shows there’s no reforming an agency that allows and even celebrates overt violence including the two gruesome murders in Minneapolis. ABOLISH ICE NOW!
Why does DHS need more money? They are already operating with more money than ever, including pillaging FEMA funds in the process. I thought DHS had been funded till 2029. Is it those preposterous $50K sign-on bonuses? And, since when is the U.S. in so much "criminal" chaos that this is all needed?
Bill Kristol saying “Abolish ICE” is the tell. When the architect of the Iraq War thinks your paramilitary force has gone too far, you’ve built something worse than law enforcement…you’ve built a goon squad.
Argentina didn’t reform the ESMA detention center. They closed it and turned it into a museum. Because you don’t reform death squads, you dismantle them.
“Reform and retrain” assumes institutions willing to enforce constraints. Minneapolis proved otherwise. Body cams filmed everything. Regime still lied, defended the killers, blamed the victims. Training doesn’t fix that. Accountability does.
Abolish ICE isn’t radical. It’s pattern recognition.
—Johan
Let’s all keep it real
ICE are not law enforcement. What they are doing is not law enforcement. It’s pure thuggery. And it’s time for the Dems to start being honest.😡
100% agree. Massive amounts of taxpayer $$ financing daily brutality, not related to law enforcement. This is political repression. Waiting for mid-term elections? What mid-term elections-?? See Fulton County, GA.
I believe in defunding the entire department also removing administrative leaders. Never since the start of ICE have we had rogue people running around the country out of control.
Why can all these criminals ( which I believe many are) run this country because of a few crack pots say it’s ok to harass! Defund and start over with well trained people. Many in this group presently are not law enforcement.
He looks like the Israel IDF murderers They are in our government too
Much as I’d like to see ICE in its present form destroyed, fighting about slogans over reform vs abolition seems a waste of time. These are questions for a new government and we’re stuck with the present one at the moment. There’s no way bar a violent revolution that ICE is going to be dis-established in this term of government.
Fights amongst those who agree that ICE at present is unacceptable are a waste of time and a benefit for the Republicans. Anger directed at ICE opponents who don’t think shouting “defund ICE” is a good idea are far better directed at the government – especially Trump – who set this monster up and turned it loose. If the left can make enough of this stink to attach to the Republicans they might lose the Senate as well as the House and that would be a significant achievement. Fighting over whether ICE should be reformed or disbanded some years hence is a distraction from this task
Recently iCE knocked a man to the ground then sprayed a yellow chemical directly into his open mouth and eyes causing agonizing, sustained pain. This horrific act of torture shows there’s no reforming an agency that allows and even celebrates overt violence including the two gruesome murders in Minneapolis. ABOLISH ICE NOW!
Hearing the lack of strength and directness from the Democrats in Congress, I often think of the song “Harry Truman” by the group Chicago (1975).
The first stanza:
America needs you, Harry Truman
Harry, could you please come home?
Things are looking bad
I know you would be mad
To see what kind of men
Prevail upon the land you love
Second stanza:
America's wondering, "How we got here?"
Harry, all we get is lies
We're getting safer cars
Rocket ships to Mars
From men who'd sell us out
To get themselves a piece of power
[Bridge: Robert Lamm]
We'd love to hear you speak your mind
In plain and simple ways
Call a spade a spade
Just like you did back in the days
When you would play piano
Each morning walk a mile
Speak of what was going down
With honesty and style…
(More lyrics follow)
Why does DHS need more money? They are already operating with more money than ever, including pillaging FEMA funds in the process. I thought DHS had been funded till 2029. Is it those preposterous $50K sign-on bonuses? And, since when is the U.S. in so much "criminal" chaos that this is all needed?
Every time you mention that x# of Dems voted for the bill, note that they may have been afraid of the consequences of a government shutdown.